Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Is there sex in Heaven? Some, like Billy Graham, say “Yes, maybe.”[1] Others simply play it safe and say, “We’ll see when we get there.” Most, however, say “Emphatically not!” C.S. Lewis said that we are forbidden to even “suppose that life in the New Creation will be a sexual life...".[2] In other words, don’t even think about thinking about it!

Yet contrary to the popular opinion of C.S. Lewis and others, I respectfully disagree with the contention that we should not think about the prospect of having sex in Heaven. After all, sex is an integral part of what it means to be human. Sex is an intensely powerful drive for most people. Oftentimes, it’s immensely pleasurable, profoundly mystical, and deliriously delightful; though sometimes─you’d rather just have a cheeseburger.

The long-range ramifications of adhering to a belief in a sexless eternity can be, and often is, spiritually crippling. I personally know of several people who completely lost their appetite for heavenly things immediately after some well-meaning Christian enlightened them to the cold reality that Heaven was reserved exclusively for celestial monks and nuns. For this reason alone, Christians should prudently reconsider this critically crucial subject carefully and prayerfully. Beyond that, we need to discuss it, and vigorously debate it in a spirit of Christian love and humility.


Since this is not an essential doctrine of the Christian faith, we need to be respectful of the opinions held by the other side. We also need to remain open to the promptings of the Holy Spirit, just in case we are wrong. The purpose of debate should not be to simply get into a war of words and see who the best debater is. Rather, our objective in debating should be to clarify our thinking so that ultimately, we’ll be able to discover what the truth really is.

Truth is determined by combining an accurate interpretation of Scripture with a proper use of common sense and reason. Truth is always reasonable. So regardless of what your current position is, I urge you, dear reader, to reserve final judgment until you have carefully and prayerfully considered the arguments on both sides. We all need to form our opinions based upon as much pertinent information as possible.


WHAT I MEAN BY “HEAVEN”

To avoid confusion, let me clarify exactly what I mean when I use the word "Heaven." The Bible talks about an "Intermediate Heaven," the place where Christians are now living, and "The New Heaven and the New Earth" (Revelation 21:1), a.k.a. “The Eternal Heaven,” which will be instituted on earth at some point after Christ returns. God’s ultimate purpose is to bring Heaven to earth and restore the cosmos. At that time, the entire earth will be like the Garden of Eden. Both the "Intermediate Heaven" and "The New Heaven and the New Earth" can rightly be referred to as Heaven. Depending on one's view of eschatology, some say The New Heaven and the New Earth will be inaugurated immediately when Christ returns, while others, currently the majority, say The New Heaven and the New Earth will be ushered in after a millennial Golden age of one thousand years. Both camps believe that Christians will receive glorified, resurrected bodies at Christ's second coming. Some people believe that Christians now residing in Heaven are disembodied, ghost-like spirits, awaiting their resurrected body at the return of Jesus. Others believe that the present inhabitants of Heaven now living in the intermediate state have some kind of intermediate body. So when I ask the question─ “Is there sex in Heaven?”─I’m mainly referring to The Eternal Heaven. Though I agree with Randy Alcorn that God may grant us physical bodies in The Intermediate Heaven, I’m confident that the Bible teaches we will ultimately have glorified physical bodies after the second coming in the Eternal Heaven. Here is what Alcorn says about the possibility of physical bodies in The Intermediate Heaven:

Given the consistent physical descriptions of the intermediate Heaven and those who dwell there, it seems possible─though this is certainly debatable─that between our earthly life and our bodily resurrection, God may grant us some physical form that will allow us to function as human beings while in that unnatural state "between bodies" awaiting our resurrection.
[3]

I agree with Alcorn, who states that resurrected believers will still be male and female endowed with new bodies that will be perfect, yet still physical. This definitely applies to the Eternal Heaven, and it may also apply to the Intermediate Heaven, though, as Alcorn acknowledges, the latter is debatable. I also agree with Alcorn, who states that our new bodies will still have sex organs.
[4] Alcorn and I part company, however, when he states that those sex organs will not be used to engage in sexual intercourse. Alcorn arrives at his conclusion by first stating that, “…Christ made it clear that people in Heaven wouldn’t be married to each other.”[5] In Alcorn’s mind, as is true with the mind-set of most Christians, “no marriage in Heaven” is the equivalent of “no sex in Heaven.” Therefore, though Alcorn and I both agree that we will have sex organs in Heaven, unlike me, Alcorn does not believe they will be used to engage in intercourse. Alcorn reaches his conclusion by stating:


Is that inconsistent, since they [our sex organs after the resurrection] wouldn’t be fulfilling a function for which they were designed? Not necessarily. Jesus was a perfect man, yet he was single and abstained from sex. Unmarried people on Earth have been called to celibacy, but they are still fully human.[6]

Since our sex organs will not be fulfilling a function for which they were designed, i.e. intercourse, Alcorn extrapolates:


If we won’t have sex in Heaven and if in Heaven there’s no frustration of desire, then it appears we won’t desire sex.[7]

If we begin─as Alcorn does─with the premise that the only form of marriage God approves of is monogamous marriage between one husband and one wife, and if we define sexual sin as “any form of sexual expression outside of marriage,” then it is totally logical to conclude that since Jesus did say there was no marriage in the afterlife, there cannot be sexual intercourse in Heaven. And if there is no sexual intercourse, then it is also logical that God would take away our sexual desires. Though I agree with Alcorn’s logic, I disagree with some of his premises. I’ll elaborate on this throughout the book.


Of course, God could annihilate our sexual desires once we die; but why? What’s the point? I fully acknowledge that God could invent some other method of experiencing a similar type of ecstasy. But what would be the purpose in that? If sex is a good gift from God, what would be the purpose of discontinuing sex in Heaven?


One of my objectives in writing this book is to make the strongest case possible for the position that there is sex in Heaven. Hopefully, others will pick up the baton and use my arguments as a springboard for further discussion and debate. I want to make it clear that my opinion is simply that—my opinion. Nevertheless, I’m offering an educated opinion, one based upon a considerable amount of thought and research. Since I am neither infallible nor omniscient, I acknowledge that I might be wrong.

Regardless of what your current stance is, I want you to know that I respect your opinion. If I challenge your thinking, I will have done my job. I hope to present both sides of this issue as accurately and fairly as possible. However, if I didn’t sincerely believe that there are fatal flaws in the arguments made by the other camp, I would not find it necessary to write this critique.


I am not the only Christian on planet earth who believes there will be sex in Heaven. There are many others, though a small minority to be sure, who either believe there might be or there will be sex in the Celestial City. Some of these Christians are pastors whom I have spoken with personally. The most prominent person believing that sex in Heaven is a distinct possibility is Billy Graham. Here’s what he told Larry King:


"People say that the Bible teaches there's no sex in Heaven. If sex is necessary for our happiness and fulfillment, it'll be there." [8]

(continued)


NOTES

[1] In a Larry King Live Interview, CNN, December 25, 1998, Billy Graham said, “…everything that you ever wanted for happiness will be there [in Heaven]. People say that the Bible teaches there’s no sex in Heaven. If sex is necessary for our happiness and fulfillment, it’ll be there.”

[2] From chapter 16 of C. S. Lewis's "Miracles: A Preliminary Study."

[3] Alcorn, Randy. Heaven, Wheaton, Illinois: Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2004, page 57.

[4] Alcorn, Heaven, page 339.

[5] Alcorn, Heaven, page 338a.

[6] Alcorn, Heaven, page 339.

[7] Alcorn, Heaven, page 338.

[8] Larry King Live Interview, CNN, December 25, 1998.



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Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

While myself and some other Mainstream Christians still think Sex & Lovemaking Exists in Heaven and the New Earth. The Christian website
covenanteyes.com recently had technical problems
The article on the website
dated April 1, 2019 by
Noah Filipiak headlined
"Why There Is No Sex in Heaven" had many good comments in reply typed by myself and other Christians going up to
March 2022 , but recently all the comments for the past two years going back to June 2020 vanished, to view the original comments in reply to that article going up until March 2022
Go to the website
web.archive.org on the search bar
Type in
https://www.covenanteyes.com/2019/04/01/why-there-is-no-sex-in-heaven/ go to where it says "Calendar" click on it, then go to April 9,2022 on the Calendar and click on where it says
"snapshot" to see the article archived
Scroll down to where it says Comments and the + sign appears , click on it and Scroll down to read the comments given by myself and other Christians going up until March 2022. Like I said before
I think the False Belief of
"No Sex in Heaven" is
Very Problematic and deeply upsetting to Many Christians. Most Likely Christians will indeed enjoy Sex and Lovemaking in Heaven and the New Earth

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

I just found the
Following Christian articles online about the possibility of Sex & Lovemaking in Heaven & The New Earth
From
precepts.wordpress.com an article on
August 2, 2016 is headlined
"Sex in the Kingdom" and it has a link to Another article on the same website
headlined
"Marriage in the Afterlife" dated
December 23, 2007

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

Update, on my
Comment of January 24, 2021 on this blog I mentioned
Larry King and the 1984 Ghostbusters film, the Dream Ghost,
Ghost Sex scene with
Ray Stantz. I just found out a few hours ago that Actress and Playboy Playmate Kymberly Herrin who played the Dream Ghost has sadly passed away at the age of 65 on
October 28,2022
Kymberly Herrin was Playmate of the Month for March 1981.
RIP Kymberly Herrin, at least we Still have Dan Aykroyd.
I take my Christian Sex in Heaven belief Very Seriously, it's always a pleasure to discuss the Topic of Sex & Lovemaking in Heaven and the New Earth.
People these days are having Less Sex for various reasons, many have said that we are in a Sex Recession, all the More Reason for Sex to Exist in Heaven and the New Earth.
Plus that bad C.S. Lewis analogy people like to Quote about a young boy, Chocolates and Sex is a poor analogy , but for me personally with Food, Pizza,Chinese Food,Hamburgers are Far Superior to Oatmeal, but I still Love Oatmeal and enjoy it at times. Pizza, Chinese Food & Hamburgers doesn't negate my enjoyment of Oatmeal at times

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

The website
churchlifejournal.nd.edu from
the Catholic University of Notre Dame in Indiana,USA has an article headlined
"Heaven and the Transcendental Meaning of Death"
by Caitlin Smith Gilson on
December 12, 2022
Scroll down to where it says
"What becomes of Sexual Intimacy in
the Resurrected State?" about the possibility of Sex & Lovemaking in Heaven & The New Earth
Plus on Amazon.com there is a book published in 2016
Titled
"Is There Male and Female in Heaven?" by Charles E. Borjas , the book is from a Christian Biblical Perspective and addresses the topic of Gender in Heaven, why people will Still be
Male and Female in Heaven

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

A few minutes ago today I found a Christian article on the website
medium.com headlined
"Does the Bible Allow For Sex in Heaven?" by
Babu G. Ranganathan dated January 5, 2017 , this 2017 medium.com article is somewhat different from Mr. Ranganathan's 2012 online article
"Will Christians enjoy Sex in Heaven?" While this 2017 article still argues for the Existence of Sexual Intercourse in Heaven. Part of this 2017
medium.com article says the following which is Not included in the 2012 article , the 2017 article says in part
"Doesn’t the Bible say we will have spiritual bodies in heaven? In context, what the Bible means by a spiritual body is that our physical bodies will be under total control of our spirit. In the case of Jesus, after His bodily resurrection, He as able to appear and disappear before His disciples at will.
We'll be able to control our appetites (i.e. when we want to be hungry and how much we want to be hungry) so that we can enjoy food and drink during fellowship with one another in those mansions above."

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

Plus on the
www.covenanteyes.com article by Noah Filipiak headlined
"Why There is No Sex in Heaven" on April 1, 2019 some people recently typed the following comments in Support of Sex & Lovemaking in Heaven:
Man_in_the_Shadows on
December 21st, 2022 typed

"This seems to be the predominate view of sex among Christian leaders, in my experience. And I’m a 55 year old man, having been a Christian since I was 18.

What is remarkable to me is, in all its wise-sounding & righteous-sounding reasoning, it makes some critical, fallacious assumptions. Also, it seems to fall into the traditional pitfall that heaven is a perpetual trance of ongoing worship services surrounding God, filled by God, and uninterrupted in its seemingly rapturous celebration. And there is no other activity forever. Really?

First of all, I am not included in the “we” statements about what “we” all have as attitudes and expectations about sex. Secondly, I’ve had sex with wife many times and I still look forward to and love eating chocolate; C.S. Lewis is brilliant, but he’s not necessarily right about everything. Thirdly, like Peter Kreeft, I’ve often wondered if the line of reasoning that says no sex because Jesus said no marriage, is itself born of a culture-twisted outlook on sex. It’s as if it’s a dirty, nasty business that is just barely made permissible by marriage. And then God does away with it after this earth-life so that we can experience his love in a “direct, bodily” way, whatever that means… whereas supposedly my wife’s love toward me in intercourse has nothing to do with God and is not in any way an expression of God toward me.

The world and this life in it is depressing enough, do we have to sterilize heaven-after as a platonic, literal Revelation 4 & 5? Consider this–that perhaps God commanded sexual exchanges between a man and woman to stay within the boundary of monogamous marriage because of sin, pure and simple. Without sin there is no human jealousy, no feelings of owning someone with exclusivity, no fear of abandonment, no shame in nakedness and holy sexual expressions.

And I can imagine so much more than the declining sexual relationship I currently have with my wife. And I’m very confident this intense, painful longing as a male that remains not fully satisfied yet submitted to Christ as “a living sacrifice,” is not a pragmatic hoodwinking by God in his eternal design of me as a male. My deepest core of existing has in it a natural attraction to female with soul-deep yearning for intercourse and union. I’m very convinced by now that this is not purely mammal-biology.

One might say, “Oh just grow up, pal!” But that’s just it: I did. And still am."

Rai typed on

February 8th, 2023

"Hi All

Even with The Bible closed and our MINDS AND HEARTS OPEN to what we SEE and OBSERVE in the World Around us, the doctrine that teaches that sex and lovemaking is ONLY part of this life in THIS world, has been one of the BIGGEST FACTORS (among all others) that causes desperation and provokes men and women, from all walks of life AND religion, to commit ALL sorts of sexual crimes HERE ON THIS WORLD, including immorality, adultery AND fornication, BECAUSE they SWALLOWED the LIE that sex is ONLY meant for this world AND THEY WONT HAVE A SECOND CHANCE OF IT, in the AFTERLIFE.

Whether OR not people believe that there is sex and procreation in Heaven OR The Afterlife, doesn’t deny the FACT that humans having their own individual WEAKNESSES still yield to sexual temptations.

HOW MUCH MORE SO, IF THEY ARE CONVINCED that sex and lovemaking is reserved ONLY, in this Life?

But let’s leave the subject of sex and procreation for the meantime. To UNDERSTAND a DEEPER PICTURE of where we’re getting at, IMAGINE IF THE LORD YESHUA/ JESUS told HIS Disciples that MANSIONS and BEAUTIFUL HOUSES are ONLY meant on THIS LIFE IN THIS WORLD NOT in Heaven OR The Afterlife … what do YOU think the Disciples, who ALSO wish a life of COMFORT would do?

May your answer to that open your eyes to understand The REAL issue.

GOD BLESS US ALL."

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

Hold on , prior to today
Thursday March 2,2023 there were
211 Comments on this Sex in Heaven blog, now it says
210 comments, what happened to one of the comments ? Who deleted it and why ? Does anyone remember what the comment was ?

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

I just found another Biblical Christian YouTube video about the possibility of
Sexual Relations & Lovemaking in Heaven
The Video is titled
"Will There Be Sex in Heaven" by
Credo House on
February 4, 2023 , this video has an Open Mind about Christians enjoying Sex in Heaven & The New Earth
Sadly many Christian Biblical YouTube videos about the Topic of Whether There Will be Sexual Intercourse in Heaven repeat the same old weak False arguments against Sex in Heaven .

Jeffrey Andrew Winters said...

www.iol.co.za has an article headlined
"Why sex helps men feel a little closer to heaven"

Published Sep 26, 2016 this article says

"It’s fair to say that when it comes to a night of passion, the existence of a higher power isn’t normally on the agenda.
But it seems that sexual relations actually bring men closer to God – thanks to the production of a hormone that enhances feelings of spirituality.

Oxytocin, sometimes dubbed the ‘cuddle chemical’, is stimulated during sex, childbirth and breastfeeding. It has long been known to promote mother-baby bonding, as well as feelings of trust and altruism.

Now researchers believe it could also create feelings of religious devotion in men. A US study found that men given doses of oxytocin were more likely to say spirituality was important in their lives than those who had received a placebo. This was the case regardless of whether the participant had reported belonging to an organised religion or not.

Men given oxytocin were also more likely to say their lives had meaning and purpose, and to view themselves as interconnected with other people and living things. And when asked to carry out meditation exercises, participants who had been given oxytocin reported experiencing more positive emotions, such as awe, gratitude, hope, inspiration, love and serenity.

Research assistant Professor Dr Patty Van Cappellen, from Duke University in North Carolina, said: ‘Spirituality and meditation have each been linked to health and well-being in previous research. ‘We were interested in understanding biological factors that may enhance those spiritual experiences. Oxytocin appears to be part of the way our bodies support spiritual beliefs.’

The strongest effect on spirituality was seen in men who had a particular variant of the CD38 gene, which regulates the release of oxytocin from neurons in the brain, according to the Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience journal.

As oxytocin affects men and women differently, Dr Van Cappellen said further studies were needed to see if sex affects women the same way, adding: ‘Oxytocin’s effects on women’s spirituality still needs to be investigated.’ " To me this article seems to indicate that Yes Christians will indeed enjoy Sex and Lovemaking in Heaven and the New Earth !!


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